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When I turn on system I don't hear fan running.

I have Sony VAIO model VJS142C11L my also will shut down after few minutes. It is a I7gen 10th with 16GB, 1TB M2 and Windows 10. When I turn on system I don't hear fan running. So could it be bad system board or a fan? Please help me. Thanks Vikas

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Fyi, I sent it to a Ukrainian guy in Madrid who fixed it. Nobody else could. Beautiful job. It works great now. I think he did also flash the rom..if you can't fix it and need a referral, let me know.

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Please Mile send me his info. Thanks

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How do I send a PM? If this forum has no problem with it, I can send the website here.

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To the Admin of ifixit: Is it possible to have Mike send me link to email? If so can I post my email address here on forum? Please let me know.

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@mikehampel : Also Mike do you have this link or video posted on youtube?

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Update on what Darko said above:

Fan not working, CPU overheating, throttling, turning down unexpectedly. There are knocking, high-pitch buzz or similar sounds from fan, faster with temperature rise (this is actually the PWM sound that is trying to spin fan faster, but it can't spin at all).

The problem is not in fan itself, fan is OK. The power to fan is delivered through a small resistor (UPD: as elektrosha discovered, it is a permanently failed resettable fuse) at the mainboard. Overtime it degrades and in my case was 40 Ohm, which is way too much voltage drop to start a 0.5A fan.

So the steps are (on your risk of course):

  1. You disassemble the laptop (powered off, unplugged). There are 2 types of screws, long and short, mark by any sort of scotch tape the places where were the short ones. Some small latches, open the screen and keyboard kicks off.
  2. Disconnect the battery from the motherboard. There is a obvious connector from battery to MB in the center.
  3. Locate the %#*@ 0603-size resistor 1cm to the right to the fan connector, under the metal sheet. I completely removed it, but it is actually not needed (as it is 40ohm or so, and we are planning to solder 3-4ohm, you can just solder new one over the old one). There are no any other parts in there, so it's really hard to damage anything. The resistor is glued & soldered, so it would require some scraping with your soldering tip or hot air to actually desolder it, pain in the ass. Better just solder new one over the old one. I've done this under the microscope, but good magnifying glass would help.

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  1. I tried 20ohm (half the "old" value), the fan started and worked, but at very small speeds, if I placed 100% load to all the cores, it overheated. So my choice is 3ohm about. I guess anything between 2 to 4 ohm would be ok.
  2. In fact, you can even use just solder blob to short-circuit it (try not to solder it to metal sheath nearby, it's grounded), but if fan fails short-circuit, it would drain enormous amount of current and would fire the motherboard internal PSU somewhere. But, as a temporary solution if you don't have any 0603 resistors on hand, it would work.

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hats off. impressive fix. i’m envious since this is beyond me. i bricked mine hoping against the odds that a bios update might be magic. instead, of course 😒, it spontaneously shut down mid-update. i looked into that a bit, and see that fixing/reprogramming a corrupted bios is also beyond me. So hats off, and well done!

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@dantegd I guess there is always some guy around in garage or workshop with a decent soldering station and who can do all that (including bricked BIOS) for $20. At least every corner on the Earth have an Arduino community, and these guys are into all that soldering stuff :)

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Is it fast acting fuse or resistor series 0603 or 0402 rated 2A, 0402, 32 volt? And how namy I need to replace it with. Is this the one in link. https://www.ebay.com/itm/182252607989?ch...

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Hello @darkosimic13735. Great work on figuring out the issue, solving it and sharing the details. I ran into the same problem with my Vaio S12. I found a local laptop repair shop that can do the soldering (I don't have the skill). So, to be sure, I should tell him it is a 40ohm resister that is needing to be replaced, right? Anything else I need to provide to be sure he has the right resister to install?

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this small piece of crap

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Incredible! Thanks for confirming, Darko! Even though I now know it's there, I still can't really see it without a magnifying glass - and zero chance to replace it. That's incredible work for someone to replace. Well done ... and quite exceptional and lucky, I'd say. No one around here would touch that. How frustrating that such a microscopic flake can bring down an otherwise fine laptop.

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May I know the specification of this tiny thing? Thanks!

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Darko, I owe you a carton of beers (and one more to guys at your local shop) once I get to Serbia. You saved me a lot of time pinning out the problem. How to contact you? :)

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Send an email to milivoe@gmail.com, we'll go from there.

On whether it's the resistor, a coil or a capacitor. Tech guy in the shop said it's a resistor. A CNS, CNT, CTS resistor... Some abbreviation with 3 letters. Can't remember exactly.

Sorin, on the Electronic Repair School YouTube channel, just reviewed some wireless solder iron and was desoldering things from some motherboard, and he may have misspoke, but he called a capacitor the thing looking a little bigger but closest in shape to our little thingy.

He was going from easiest to hardest, or maybe the biggest to the smallest, and was desoldering first what he called a coil, than a capacitor, and than another two small capacitors. But those two looked very different than the first one to me. Maybe he meant resistor but said capacitor.

Don't know. Not that well educated on electronic stuff. Just a fan. And a little bit eager to provide any help I can, knowing it's very hard to find good info on Vaio laptops. There's not that many of them around.

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@darkosimic13735 Abbreviation could be SMD? (Stands for surface mount device, something that is soldered to the top of a board and not through a via).

If so, it completely explains how the difference it hard to tell. Some SMD resistors, capacitors, fuses, etc. look almost identical, and even under a microscope I can't tell the difference in many cases.

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From the info I gathered it's the element that failed but it's not a resistor. It's Resettable 8V 1A Fuse in 0603 package. I did not find one readily available and replaced it with 32V 2A fuse in 0402 package from old MacBook. Did not use 0603 3A one from newer Macs since I wanted it to be rated as close to original as possible. Made a YouTube video as well. https://youtu.be/3P51srWwGYQ

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Well, that started to make a sense now, thank you for your investigation! In fact, a fuse is a thing you would actually expect in that place, no reason to place any resistors or coils there, as we all discussed above. I would eventually replace my 3ohm resistor with a fuse. Maybe :)

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  1. Click the Start button, and then click Control Panel.
  2. In the Control Panel window, under Pick a category, double-click the Performance and Maintenance icon.
  3. In the Performance and Maintenance window, under or pick a Control Panel icon, double-click the Power Options icon.
  4. In the Power Options Properties window, click the VAIO Power Management tab.
  5. On the VAIO Power Management tab, in the Settings for VAIO box, next to CPU Fan Control, click to select the desired performance level.
  6. Click the OK button.
  7. Readmore: https://www.sony.com/electronics/support...solitaire spider/

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I have this issue too for some time now. Your laptop turns off because it is heating due to the fan not working. It is not the fan, i have replaced the fan and i still have the same issue. It makes a buzzing noise but nothing moves. The issue is there is not enough power going into the Fan for some reason and that has to do with the motherboard. I have not found the solution to it nor have found the solution else where. Not many repair shops knows how to fix a Vaio. If only i you can purchase a motherboard but they arent sold anywhere.

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Had the same problem, got it fixed for $25 in the local shop. It was the small resistor on the motherboard, just maybe 5mm on the right side of the fan jack. You could barely see it. Just two 1mm soldering dots and 2mm resistor between them. Replaced.

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Is this know issue? Also what local repair shop did you took it too. I live in chicago and we have MicroCenter.

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Same problem - it's been periodic, now permanent. Spontaneous shutdown within minutes of booting up and/or logging in. Happens on AC power, on battery, either way. Seems an uncontrolled heat issue / motherboard failure. And apparently not nearly as uncommon as I would like : )

I checked the fan jack on the motherboard, but do not see what Darko suggests ... and even if it were there, cannot imagine a local shop around Seattle having that microscopic resister, or the patience to undo all of the screws holding the VJS142C11L together, let alone unmounting the motherboard screws/connectors to get at it and repair it for $25. So that must be a completely exceptional circumstance.

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I had the same issue. May I know the specification of that tiny resistor?

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@siumingchan 0603 type, 2...4 ohm works well!

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Same problem - must be a motherboard failure since Win10 never even gets a chance to log a serious or critical error. Just spontaneous shutdown.

I think the VAIO VJS142C11L is VAIO Corporation, no longer Sony.

There is a recent BIOS update for the VJS142 - although it's a really long shot for 2 reasons.

  1. When is the last time a BIOS update could fix something so substantial : )
  2. Flashing the BIOS with a laptop that spontaneously shuts down is a desperate move. I tried it ... and spontaneous shutdown while just 25% into the update. Brick. Anyone know a good way to repair a corrupt BIOS ;) ?

Good luck. Seems like VAIO Corp used a bad motherboard, or bad fabrication on these.

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I had enough luck that mine would die too fast for me to brick it. And I almost did it. I tried to reinstall Win11 once we manually started the fan, but fan stopped once the installation restarted laptop. And then it wouldn't continue the installation, it got corrupted.

So I turned on the hair fan on cold, highest speed, and directed it to the CPU, and then tried online installation on WiFi, still wouldn't work, somehow after 10 hours and around 150 tries, I got it to start installation on wired Internet. And then I got BIOS updated, still no help with the fan.

I watched a couple of days ago on Electronics Repair School YouTube channel how Sorin desoldered BIOS chip from a Lenovo Legion 5 laptop motherboard, had it in some clamp connected to a computer, installed BIOS that way, and soldered it back. Don't know if that's what's needed, but they do have a Discord chanel where he directs people who ask him questions on live streaming. Maybe try to get an easier solution there. They are based in London I think

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We all should get together and file a Top Class Actions lawsuit against VAIO Corporation regarding this issue where they manufacture defective motherboards never tested fully. I had my for just 1 year brand new. It started acting up. I spended $1500 !#^& of trash.

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@filter1985 couldn't agree more, Vikas. The level of corporate impunity today is horrendous.

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I have exactly the same issue, I bought it brand new 2 years ago but been in box 1.5 years and overall, has worked maybe 80 hours !

And now keep shutting down !

Let's take vaio to facebook and other social media and do public announcement about their ignorance and lack of responsibility.

This is unacceptable !

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Hi @christophe78112,

Does it keep shutting down if you use it with the charger connected to the laptop?

If you kept it in a box for 1.5 years without using it or more importantly charging the battery in it during this time, it wouldn't have done the battery any good.

Rechargeable batteries need to be maintained by charging them every so often otherwise they will gradually lose their charge holding capability and their ability to function correctly.

Create a battery report to check the condition of the battery.

When you have the report compare the Design Capacity value versus the Full Charge Capacity value. For a good battery they should nearly be the same.

You can check the condition as a percentage by using the formula Full Charge capacity value x 100 ÷ Design capacity value. If the battery charge value is <35% you may wish to consider replacing it.

This is not the fault of the manufacturer. Rechargeable batteries are designed to be used/charged and not left unused for that amount of time.

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Hi there,

That is correct and understandable but the problem is not battery. I put the hairdryer on the coolest and fastest mode next to laptop fan which blow cold air into it and it was ON for 5-6 hours without shutting down anymore. The problem is Fan is not working at all and it quickly turns off in less than 1-2 minutes if on battery and less than a minute if on charger due to overheating. The same problem like everyone else. I live in Aus but if I were in US, I would definitely take legal action and encourage everyone else to do class action together against Vaio. They sold us a lemon and now just ignoring us!

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